Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel

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Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel

Postby Jason Carlton » Mon Jul 12, 1999 7:12 am

Have any of you actually fired a sawed-off double barrel shotgun? I had a buddy who was a real freak about firearms mechanics (velocity, recoil, etc.) He told me that a sawed-off shotgun isn't the most effective form of defense, due to the short barrels. Seems that the shorter barrels would spread the spray of BB's in the shells way too wide. Longer barels would keep the spray of BB's closer together - much more deadly. The machining of the long barrels puts a flared edge at the barrels edge, directing the flow of the spread evenly. Also lost, is that the machining somtimes puts a fine spiral grove all through the barrels center. Shortening the barrel can ultimately ruin the physics of the long barreled shotgun. However, look at the original picture used on the back of the new Road Warrior reissue. The barrels on Max's sawed-off are flared on the end. Perhaps indicating it wasn't sawed off at all, but machined to be short in the first place.
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Re: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel

Postby TheDarkOne » Mon Jul 12, 1999 9:04 am

In Reply to: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel posted by Jason Carlton on July 12, 1999 at 15:12:41:


The spiral groove in most shotguns get damaged because of the fact that you can only use certain kinds of shells with it. When you use another kind of shell it damages the groove. Most likely Max couldn't find all of the right shells so his gun was getting damamged every time he used it. As for sawing it off, a short barrell is optimal for close range firing because the spread goes farther out, but it is not good for long distance. Of course shotguns are not good for anything outside of a few dozen feet. All it does is make the person you're shooting really mad!! Max's gun does look to be original (not sawed off). They did make really short barrel shotguns a while ago (don't think they still do) so I think that is what he uses. That's my 2 cents
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Re: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel

Postby AR » Mon Jul 12, 1999 9:18 am

In Reply to: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel posted by Jason Carlton on July 12, 1999 at 15:12:41:


To help the dispersion of the pellets, a sports weapon may have a slightly oval-shaped barrel, although this prevents the use of more specialized ammunition. Shotguns used for hunting larger game or for combat often have cylindical barrles instead, which allow the use of solid projectiles such as large-diameter lead slugs.

: Have any of you actually fired a sawed-off double barrel shotgun? I had a buddy who was a real freak about firearms mechanics (velocity, recoil, etc.) He told me that a sawed-off shotgun isn't the most effective form of defense, due to the short barrels. Seems that the shorter barrels would spread the spray of BB's in the shells way too wide. Longer barels would keep the spray of BB's closer together - much more deadly. The machining of the long barrels puts a flared edge at the barrels edge, directing the flow of the spread evenly. Also lost, is that the machining somtimes puts a fine spiral grove all through the barrels center. Shortening the barrel can ultimately ruin the physics of the long barreled shotgun. However, look at the original picture used on the back of the new Road Warrior reissue. The barrels on Max's sawed-off are flared on the end. Perhaps indicating it wasn't sawed off at all, but machined to be short in the first place.
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Re: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel

Postby Dark Knight » Mon Jul 12, 1999 3:06 pm

In Reply to: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel posted by Jason Carlton on July 12, 1999 at 15:12:41:


A shorter barrell could be easily manuvered and could be easily carried in a belt
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Orgin of Max's shotgun

Postby Heimdal » Mon Jul 12, 1999 3:45 pm

In Reply to: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel posted by Jason Carlton on July 12, 1999 at 15:12:41:


I assumed that the shotgun Max used was the same gun he was carrying when he arrived late at the scene where his wife and kid became road kill. At that time it was a full length shotgun. I assumed he sawed it off later before going after Toe-Cutter and his goons. Perhaps I'm wrong, I don't know.

: Have any of you actually fired a sawed-off double barrel shotgun? I had a buddy who was a real freak about firearms mechanics (velocity, recoil, etc.) He told me that a sawed-off shotgun isn't the most effective form of defense, due to the short barrels. Seems that the shorter barrels would spread the spray of BB's in the shells way too wide. Longer barels would keep the spray of BB's closer together - much more deadly. The machining of the long barrels puts a flared edge at the barrels edge, directing the flow of the spread evenly. Also lost, is that the machining somtimes puts a fine spiral grove all through the barrels center. Shortening the barrel can ultimately ruin the physics of the long barreled shotgun. However, look at the original picture used on the back of the new Road Warrior reissue. The barrels on Max's sawed-off are flared on the end. Perhaps indicating it wasn't sawed off at all, but machined to be short in the first place.
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Re: Orgin of Max's shotgun

Postby TheDarkOne » Mon Jul 12, 1999 7:12 pm

In Reply to: Orgin of Max's shotgun posted by Heimdal on July 12, 1999 at 23:45:41:


From what I hear (on this page to be exact!!) There is a scene missing in which Max goes back to the MFP to arm himself (before getting the interceptor) so that is probably where he picked up the gun.
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Re: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel

Postby Jason Carlton » Tue Jul 13, 1999 1:25 am

In Reply to: Re: Pros/Cons of a Sawed-Off Double Barrel posted by TheDarkOne on July 12, 1999 at 17:04:51:


: The spiral groove in most shotguns get damaged because of the fact that you can only use certain kinds of shells with it. When you use another kind of shell it damages the groove. Most likely Max couldn't find all of the right shells so his gun was getting damamged every time he used it. As for sawing it off, a short barrell is optimal for close range firing because the spread goes farther out, but it is not good for long distance. Of course shotguns are not good for anything outside of a few dozen feet. All it does is make the person you're shooting really mad!! Max's gun does look to be original (not sawed off). They did make really short barrel shotguns a while ago (don't think they still do) so I think that is what he uses. That's my 2 cents

Perhaps a good example of uneven spread in the firing of a sawed-off is from the L.A. riots earlier this decade. When those street thugs were taking down that truck driver Denny, one of them took out a sawed off double barrel from is bag. Standing no more than 6-8 feet, this guy fired - and missed! BTW: To those on the message board from Australia, I hear your government has cracked down very hard recently on private ownership of firearms. What exactly are the pulling down there by you? Guess the only ones who will have guns are those like the thugs in L.A.....
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The missing scene

Postby Heimdal » Tue Jul 13, 1999 5:28 am

In Reply to: Re: Orgin of Max's shotgun posted by TheDarkOne on July 13, 1999 at 03:12:04:




: From what I hear (on this page to be exact!!) There is a scene missing in which Max goes back to the MFP to arm himself (before getting the interceptor) so that is probably where he picked up the gun.

I know. I'm the one who sent in the detail in regard to thinking I did see a scene in Which Max actualy saws off the shotgun. As I mentioned though, I can not swear by this, I may have somehow been thinking of the scene in Terminator, where what's his name saws off the shotgun he stole from the police. I've seen so many action films, sometimes they tend to blur together in regard to the small details.
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Re: The missing scene

Postby TheDarkOne » Tue Jul 13, 1999 7:59 am

In Reply to: The missing scene posted by Heimdal on July 13, 1999 at 13:28:18:


I know what you mean about films bluring together. But when you look at the handle of his shotgun, there are no marks of where the stock was sawed off. If he did cut his original gun, he would not only have to do the barrels, but also the stock. The gun he has at the end of the movie looks like it didn't have the stock cut off.
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Re: The missing scene

Postby Jason Carlton » Tue Jul 13, 1999 8:30 am

In Reply to: Re: The missing scene posted by TheDarkOne on July 13, 1999 at 15:59:56:


: I know what you mean about films bluring together. But when you look at the handle of his shotgun, there are no marks of where the stock was sawed off. If he did cut his original gun, he would not only have to do the barrels, but also the stock. The gun he has at the end of the movie looks like it didn't have the stock cut off.

In MM3, the stock looks sawed off. If they were able to use what looks to be the same gun in 1 & 2, why the different gun in 3....
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