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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby mahenoguy » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:44 am

Hey I like this a lot MWFV8 . I like your time-line , works for me . As far as artistic statement , I've always liked the Earth reference , I've even seen the Mack referred to as Planet Earth . I dig your Convoy idea but I doubt they were from around there as 1; There's Nothing out there but the Compound ( Which i too think may be where they heading ) and Murderous gangs & 2; the Rig and the other wrecked vehicles are unmodified and cleaner than all the other cars and buggies ( Including those in the compound )which are much more "Apocylipsed Up " I don't know if this was intentional or not .
Interesting point is the wrecks they drive past are the at same spot the Truck wreck is filmed . Most of the chase scene is filmed on the same stretch and the tanker roll-over is the corner down the hill .
The music box is a good point and i understand the main point to the scene is Max's reaction , not its source . but i still think there were kid/s involved as there are toys all over the place , which would be useless for trade
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby mahenoguy » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:52 am

Good point on fuel caps Humvee Driver . I Watch again and you can definately see an arrow in the poor dudes neck . No smashed window and coming through the body or the truck would rip the flights out so maybe he copped it while he had the door open , possibly even stopped .
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby MWFV8 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:45 am

HUMVEE Driver wrote:I think Max was the first one to come across the Mack. If marauders had stopped it, I'm sure they would have dragged the driver out (alive or not) and kicked him around a little. I can't imagine them looting the truck while just letting the driver sit there.


I'm 50/50 on the marauders dragging out and beating the Mack driver. While the marauders do make a spectacle of attacking the people in the crashed buggy in a later scene those people are still alive, from the compound and one is a woman. If they found the Mack driver already dead or close to death I'm not sure they'd make the effort. There's also a couple of other scenes to consider, firstly the scene where Max crashes the Interceptor, Wez says "If he's alive, I want him" and then the tanker crash at the end where nobody makes any attempt to attack Max or the Feral child despite them being badly injured.

As for him finding the Mack wreck first, it just seems unlikely to me given what we see. It's a stretch of road the marauders seem to be patrolling, the truck has clearly been attacked by someone, the trailer appears to have been looted and someone has sprayed vandalism on it. Plus if was new to the Mauraders wouldn't Wez have mentioned it? Wouldn't they have gone back there and looted it so when Max and Gyro Captain returned things were different?

HUMVEE Driver wrote:Also, I doubt they would have put the caps back on the tanks if they looted the fuel.


This is a fair point, I agree if someone looted the fuel they'd leave the caps off. However if someone took the fuel but wanted to potentially use the truck later I do think they'd put them back on so sand and rain couldn't get into the tanks, I know I would.

HUMVEE Driver wrote:Also, in the book, Max has to do some repairs to the Mack to get it functional again. I think the book mentions repairing some tires, but it could also infer that Max had to purge the air out of the empty fuel lines or whatever. He's a resourceful guy; he could do it.


Yes we know Max can use a wrench from a few scenes in the first film. I'd agree that he knows his way around an engine. Plus when it came to getting it started he had the Gyro Captain with him who's clearly mechanically minded and resourceful.

HUMVEE Driver wrote:I think George Miller really wanted to show the power of the semi truck, like there's no mistaking it. Ever since then Mack trucks have always been THE semi truck of choice for me.


Yes in many ways the Mack is the hero car in The RoadWarrior,
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby MWFV8 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:51 am

mahenoguy wrote:The music box is a good point and i understand the main point to the scene is Max's reaction , not its source . but i still think there were kid/s involved as there are toys all over the place , which would be useless for trade


I do agree that the key placement of items is there to hint at children. I'm just offering up the suggestion that any family the Mack driver had may have been travelling in another vehicle as part of a convoy, perhaps in one of the vehicle wrecks they pass during the chase.
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby MWFV8 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:57 am

mahenoguy wrote: No smashed window and coming through the body or the truck would rip the flights out so maybe he copped it while he had the door open , possibly even stopped .


It does seem someone opened the door and shot him in the neck. This reinforces the suggestion the truck was already stopped or struggling from no fuel when attacked.
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby MadMatt » Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:17 pm

I think that the other cars behind the Mack had the right supplys/Fuel possible women/childern to rape and pilage for the Vermin on machine and the Mack driver tryed to flee but the truck was to slow...Ooor wouldent start... ran out of fuel,and they simply shot him with arrow guns,saw the truck was loaded with crap,left there graffity mark (Vermine will inherit the Earth) and left the driver for dead.. they had no other diesil vehicals so they wouldent bother with it (truck) anyway.
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby aussie muscle » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:15 pm

Those that think the diesel fuel be of no use, you can burn it in a petrol engine, especially if you were desperate. you often see clouds of smoke coming from a car that has diesel put in by misake. it may run badly and may do long term damage, but it should run (even mixed in with petrol).

if the vermin did stop the truck, it's likely they entered through the passenger side (as the driver was resting on the door when max openened it).
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby mahenoguy » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:03 am

I think your right Aussie Muscle about a passenger side entry / attack , the only thing is the arrow is in right upper side of his neck , meaning he would have to be facing the back of the cab to cop it from the passenger side . Maybe there was a struggle with the cross bow or glove bow and it has gone off in the struggle
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Re: Mack truck corpse

Postby leadcounsel » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:27 pm

MWFV8 wrote:If we look at the way Max behaves when he finds the tanker it would suggest some possible answers to points raised in this thread.

Max takes the music box, for no obvious practical reason. If Max had been found dead in his Interceptor shortly after would it have been right to assume he was travelling with a child, just because he was carrying a music box? So perhaps the Mack driver was just carrying it, like Max chose to.

Max checks the tanks quickly, I feel this is for three possible reasons. Firstly, as already mentioned, fuel is a valuable trade commodity. Secondly while it wouldn't be possible to convert it to petrol, it is a fuel source, Max needs to stay warm so diesel would have been welcome if only for campfires. Thirdly Max is in a perilous situation with his Interceptor (very low fuel), any drivable vehicle is a opportunity. It would be unwelcome and desperate but also practical to consider draining his Interceptor of fuel into a tank and transferring to the Mack.

It's worth considering that during the chase Max passes the wrecks of two other cars, one of which is burning. This is about 50 secs before he reaches the Mack, given the speed they are likely travelling I'd estimate there's a less than a mile between them. More on that later.

There is an arrow in the truck door and I believe at least one more which you can see as Max is studying the music box (perhaps the same one I'm not sure). They are embedded in the metal of the cab which suggests they were fired at a fast rate by something high powered.

The Mack appears to have been partially raided as they approach it, although this may be damage or just the framework failing. Apart from that it's complete, which considering the need to scavenge parts suggests to me it's either been there a reasonably short time or being left there while under supervision (i.e within an area the marauders control).

I'm not confident on ageing dead bodies but I am aware that the humid desert heat inside a truck cab would have sped up the decaying process. And that flies would cover the inside of the windows within days.

So based on this here's my personal interpretations:

Possible Back Story:
The truck was part of a convoy of survivors travelling with at least another two cars only a few days previous. They were travelling the route either to reach the compound or because it's a common/desirable route (hence why Max and the Mauraders have ended up there too). They had all their possessions loaded up into the Mack to keep, trade or simply burn as fuel. They entered and area patrolled by the marauders and like Max were suddenly pursued. Travelling in slower moving vehicles they were easily attacked with weapons resulting in two cars crashing and injuring the Mack driver. About a mile further down the road the Mack driver eventually succumbed to his injuries weaving over the road as he slipped out of conciousness. The Marauders drained any remaining diesel in the tanks and left the Mack parked there, planning to return with the diesel if they needed to drive it. (remember that moving it at all would waste precious fuel) The Marauders considered it theirs, spraying graffiti down the side and leaving the attacked body there for show. Since they patrolled and defended the area aggressively in the middle of nowhere they had no concern anything would happen to it, unlikely anyone will be passing with large quantities of diesel going spare and unlikely they'd escape the area in such a slow unarmed vehicle. Once in possession of the Mack Humongous decided he had the power-move he needed against the compound dwellers as he knew they have a tanker and no tractor unit to haul it with, hence trying to barter with their freedom the following day. Humongous is infuriated when Max steals the Mack from right under his nose the next day and orders the marauders to use the diesel to burn the compound dweller hostages that night.

Possible Artistic Statements:
The Mack wreck represents the existing civilisation, loaded up with domestic products and family items it displays what has become of reality. Brutally scavenged and left vandalised it's a stark representation of how things have become. It's an opportunity to show how Max has become a remorseless scavenger himself, however the music box scene shows there's a glimmer of good still deep down in him. This is reinforced by the way the word Earth is the only word painted on the tractor unit, the only part Max later goes back and salvages.


Bingo.

I would only add that Max would have instinctively checked for fuel in the rig, even if not immediately usable to him. He also would have salvaged all the gas and supplies from the crashed Landau and buggy. We know they had some fuel at least, and some other gear and food - like the dead Kangaroo.

I wonder what the argument Wez and Humungus have as Max watches them through the binos. Wez is worked up about something. I theorize it's his concern that Max found the rig and Wez wants to disable it and Humungus tells him that's not necessary.

The pillaged and abandoned household items is extremely symbolic - in that they represent the shift in values and necessities. No longer are comforts of the old world desired, as we see household possessions left behind like trash.

The rig 'driver' doesn't necessary need to be the driver. He could have been anyone shot in the neck, even outside the rig, and took shelter (comfort, protection from elements and coyotes, etc.) in the rig to die with the music box in his hand. Or he could have been shot while the window was down, and pulled over and slowly died and put the window up because he got cold at night or it was too windy or a dust storm, etc. The Marauders, seeing him dead or near dead, may have just looted him while he was sitting in the cab and not bothered to drag him out. Or maybe they did drag him out, and left him for dead, and he had enough energy to climb back in. Bloat and rot would occur in that confined oven of 120 degrees or more in just a few days. That would be consistent with the smoldering tire fires on the other recently wrecked cars.

I don't see a mortally wounded guy with an arrow through his neck caring enough or being able to scrawl 6' letters across a 20' space 8' in the air though. This was 'some' vandals, and really irrelevant who. It may be the Marauders - as was stated earlier - marking their turf. Leaving the dead guy in the truck would foul the vehicle so that most people would not use it, and keep his carcass from being eaten by coyotes.

Those kids and children were either killed or captives. Perhaps even some of the folks burned at the stake later. They did burn several people. And Humungus says "again you have defied me." So the convoy, and later attempt to send vehicles out to find a rig (clearly they know it's nearby) is an ongoing theme for them.
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