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nuclear war

Postby Tom Millan » Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:25 am

Quote: Originally posted by BrentJackson on 07 June 2005


[div]Now the idea to me is that in the old days the nuclear war would be between the USA and the Soviet Union (and me being a Canadian would be right in the middle of it of course) and that the nations of the Southern Hemisphere that are reasonably advanced - Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Brazil, Argentina - would be the last places where Humanity would have an easier time avoiding the war. More so in Australia and Brazil, because spaces are rather wide open (both nations' populations are in coastal areas) and in South Africa because the nation is mountainous and easier to hide in.[/div][div] [/div][div]In a nuclear war.....post-war, provided I'm still alive, get a car and so south - Canada is not the most hospitable climate. Go South as far as possible - possibly Mexico or South America. Probably go from South America to South Africa and then to Australia. Australia and new Zealand would be the places least damaged more than likely. [/div]








Good insight. and when I go to Australia, I will knock on ROCKs' door! LOL and we can start our own asphalt paving company- armed with weapons of course. LOL





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Postby Tom Millan » Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:35 am

Quote: Originally posted by Foxtrot X-Ray on 07 June 2005Seems to be a bit of confusion of some Nuclear terminology and effects of a Nuclear Weapon detonation..





We'll start with the term "Fallout" This means material that has been thrown in the air by any sort of explosion that literally Falls Out of the debris cloud.





In the case of a Nuclear Detonation, this material is radioactivated and as such is quite a danger. (See Radiation)





EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) Field.


This is hard to explain, so I'll outline it's on cars in particular.


All Cars, Out of range of the Field - Uneffected


Computer controlled cars in range - Electronic components destroyed.


Non-Computer controled cars in range (Depending on type of distributor) should remain operational.





All damaged cars could be made operational again if undamaged spares could be obtained.





Radiation


Broadly divided into


Gamma rays


X-Rays


Alpha Particles


Beta Particles


Radioactive fallout.





I'm not really going to go into these.. I'll just point out one simple fact.





There are people living in Hiroshima and Nagasaki today.





Yes, there's a higher cancer death rate there than other cities in Japan, but there are people living & Surviving there.











Excellent responce and homework done on it! Would you like to be my "continuity reasearch advisor" for that "Extreme Frank?". E-mail as much info on what you had just discribed, so I could use it in a the film---- a conversation piece between homicide detectives and highway patrolmen, I don't have time to do detailed research because of my job. I film on the weekends or a rainy day when I can't pave the asphalt. Can I get an e-mail address off of you so I could e-mail you some questions? Thanks!





Oh by the way, hello from Alberta.





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Postby Mad Goose » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:08 am



I personally think that in the event of WW3; there would be a few living, thus making my idea for an emoire more easier to obtain but very few people to rule.





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Postby Major_Tom » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:29 pm



Goose, or Giro or neckbrace or whatever your name is, your idea is entirely absurd. Even if you did manage to escape to Scotland, and even if Scotland still existed, what makes you think that the Scots would let some yank/pole/irishman supercultural multi-being rule over them? I think they'd execute you immediately and use your pathetic body to make firelighters.
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Postby Mad Max 2050 » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:20 pm



Scotland will still be here!!! And you'll need your passport if you want to stand the remotest chance of getting in!!!


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Postby Mad Goose » Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:34 pm



Like the support Major! If my plan did work, and you were alive, you'd be chief of social affairs.


Oh, yeah, I've got Scottish blood...would that help


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Postby Biker » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:25 am



Hey Mad Goose nothing like keeping your plans simple I say.. and that was nothing like a simple plan. Heheheheee forming an Empire? okaaaaaaaaaaaay. Image Good luck.


Ummmmm Brent Jackson since you're living in Canada and you intend heading south to safer climates should the USA and Russia kick off the big one. How exactly would you get south if the USA is a crackling nuclear dustbowl? Take a look at a big map, what's that big expanse just south of Canada that goes from coast to coast? I think some contingency plans are in order there pal. Alaska might be a better alternative or head east or west in a ship.


Me? Personally I'd hope I was at ground zero and never know the horrors of surviving a nuclear war. Hollywood films have made us think we have some chance of surviving one and get to live an exciting lifestyle afterwards such as driving on empty roads between skeleton cities and outrunning mutated giant scorpions etc etc. Given the actual reality of a slow death from haemoraging from every orifice from radiation sickness weeks, even months after the initial blast. Or oneday sh**ing my entire large intestines out while squating in a ditch after eating contaminated food or water. I'd choose the fast-fried-to-a-crisp-never-knew-anything-about-it-death option thank you very much. Image


Regarding the EMP etc. An electro magnetic pulse is actually by product of a nuclear blast along with the radiation and damage one would cause, just another thing about a nuclear bomb to make your day even worse. Yes it would destroy fragile electrical circuit componants in everything including radios etc so don't expect to hear that "all clear" over your radio while you're huddled under the stairs. So it's not only cars, as Foxtrot mentioned above, that'd be affected. However a deisel engine should be unaffected assuming you can start the engine that is. Some trucks have compressed air starters which don't rely on complicated electrical circuits to work them.


I read somewhere that burying delicate electrical parts such as CDI ignition systems would save then should the EMP occur, how deep they need to be buried depends on the nearness of the nuclear blast and thus the EMP itself. I think about 600 feet should be ok if you're next door to a missile silo. So if you're planning on wanting to stay "mobile enough to scavenge" get a spare CDI (capacitor discharge ignition) for your car and bury it nice and deep (a lead box won't stop an EMP but it will stop some of the less nastier (!???) radiations) then after the blast and you find your car won't start you have a spare one to replace it will and hope that another EMP blast doesn't take out your spare. Don't expect your in car sound system to work though, you'll survive and be mobile but without Guns 'n' Roses playing your new lifestyles sound track on the CD player would it be really worth it? Image


Worth noting. As cars get more complicated electrically, simply burying a spare CDI system won't save it. It might be better to bury the whole car or get an old banger with about 3 electrical circuits and save that ones ignition system.


An interesting point to mention is that a Neutron bomb won't affect any electrical items at all. I believe the fall out is very limited so cancer risks aren't too much of a problem. What it does is kill all living things in it's blast radius, how I'm not too sure. In theory a small tactical neutron bomb could be dropped on a battle field and would kill all enemy (and any friendly troops including mascot goats, dogs and cats in the area too). But won't affect any of their equipment. Just lift out the decaying body of the driver and you have yourself a fully working armoured vehicle with no physical damage to it at all. The same technique could be used on an enemy city. Drop a large Neutron bomb on it and you have yourself a whole new pile of real estate but with a big clear up problem getting all the bodies away but all dustcarts and bulldozers would be working to help you AND the sound systems would play Guns 'n' Roses.


Scary huh?


And there's other things to consider too, such as ground bursts air bursts al have their little fun and games associated with them


Nasty things nuclears. Let's hope no one decides to actually try one out but keeps it to conventional weapons.


I heard a great phrase some years ago about superpowers and their arsenals. Liken it to two hated enemies standing up to their chests in a swimming pool of petrol both have a box of matches each...... It doesn't really matter how many matches each has as it's mutual destruction all the way.... "touched off a blaze that engulfed them all"


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Postby Mad Goose » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:40 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Biker on 10 June 2005






Hey Mad Goose nothing like keeping your plans simple I say.. and that was nothing like a simple plan. Heheheheee forming an Empire? okaaaaaaaaaaaay. Image Good luck.


Ummmmm Brent Jackson since you're living in Canada and you intend heading south to safer climates should the USA and Russia kick off the big one. How exactly would you get south if the USA is a crackling nuclear dustbowl? Take a look at a big map, what's that big expanse just south of Canada that goes from coast to coast? I think some contingency plans are in order there pal. Alaska might be a better alternative or head east or west in a ship.


Me? Personally I'd hope I was at ground zero and never know the horrors of surviving a nuclear war. Hollywood films have made us think we have some chance of surviving one and get to live an exciting lifestyle afterwards such as driving on empty roads between skeleton cities and outrunning mutated giant scorpions etc etc. Given the actual reality of a slow death from haemoraging from every orifice from radiation sickness weeks, even months after the initial blast. Or oneday sh**ing my entire large intestines out while squating in a ditch after eating contaminated food or water. I'd choose the fast-fried-to-a-crisp-never-knew-anything-about-it-death option thank you very much. Image


Regarding the EMP etc. An electro magnetic pulse is actually by product of a nuclear blast along with the radiation and damage one would cause, just another thing about a nuclear bomb to make your day even worse. Yes it would destroy fragile electrical circuit componants in everything including radios etc so don't expect to hear that "all clear" over your radio while you're huddled under the stairs. So it's not only cars, as Foxtrot mentioned above, that'd be affected. However a deisel engine should be unaffected assuming you can start the engine that is. Some trucks have compressed air starters which don't rely on complicated electrical circuits to work them.


I read somewhere that burying delicate electrical parts such as CDI ignition systems would save then should the EMP occur, how deep they need to be buried depends on the nearness of the nuclear blast and thus the EMP itself. I think about 600 feet should be ok if you're next door to a missile silo. So if you're planning on wanting to stay "mobile enough to scavenge" get a spare CDI (capacitor discharge ignition) for your car and bury it nice and deep (a lead box won't stop an EMP but it will stop some of the less nastier (!???) radiations) then after the blast and you find your car won't start you have a spare one to replace it will and hope that another EMP blast doesn't take out your spare. Don't expect your in car sound system to work though, you'll survive and be mobile but without Guns 'n' Roses playing your new lifestyles sound track on the CD player would it be really worth it? Image


Worth noting. As cars get more complicated electrically, simply burying a spare CDI system won't save it. It might be better to bury the whole car or get an old banger with about 3 electrical circuits and save that ones ignition system.


An interesting point to mention is that a Neutron bomb won't affect any electrical items at all. I believe the fall out is very limited so cancer risks aren't too much of a problem. What it does is kill all living things in it's blast radius, how I'm not too sure. In theory a small tactical neutron bomb could be dropped on a battle field and would kill all enemy (and any friendly troops including mascot goats, dogs and cats in the area too). But won't affect any of their equipment. Just lift out the decaying body of the driver and you have yourself a fully working armoured vehicle with no physical damage to it at all. The same technique could be used on an enemy city. Drop a large Neutron bomb on it and you have yourself a whole new pile of real estate but with a big clear up problem getting all the bodies away but all dustcarts and bulldozers would be working to help you AND the sound systems would play Guns 'n' Roses.


Scary huh?


And there's other things to consider too, such as ground bursts air bursts al have their little fun and games associated with them


Nasty things nuclears. Let's hope no one decides to actually try one out but keeps it to conventional weapons.


I heard a great phrase some years ago about superpowers and their arsenals. Liken it to two hated enemies standing up to their chests in a swimming pool of petrol both have a box of matches each...... It doesn't really matter how many matches each has as it's mutual destruction all the way.... "touched off a blaze that engulfed them all"


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I like your view. I wonder if Mad Max movies would be more realistic if it had just been a war with neutrons before it and not a war with actual nukes.





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Postby Foxtrot X-Ray » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:28 pm

Where the hell did my post with the links go?





Oh yeah.. Crashed just after I hit the post button. Must not have gone through.


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