Furiosa comic falls flat

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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby Artemis Flow » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:14 pm

I doubt the author has even seen the first 3 movies when she talks " canon " my god she would turn inside out if she seen MM1
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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby flightsuit » Sat Jun 20, 2015 11:28 pm

Artemis Flow wrote:I doubt the author has even seen the first 3 movies when she talks " canon " my god she would turn inside out if she seen MM1



Indeed, I was just eleven years old when MM2 came out, and I was utterly traumatized by it, especially the graphic rape scene. And although whatever happens to that poor couple in MM1 happens off-screen, it's stilly very disturbing to me and I don't like it.

But those horrible, distasteful things are there for a reason. The Mad Max universe wouldn't be the brutal nightmare that it is without those things, and they help to define exactly what it is that Max and his various uneasy allies are struggling against.
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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby flightsuit » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:28 am

So just in case any of you are interested in posting a comment directly on that blog, you'd better read this first:

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Welcome to Shakesville, a progressive feminist blog about politics, culture, social justice, cute things, and all that is in between. Please note that the commenting policy and the Feminism 101 section, conveniently linked at the top of the page, are required reading before commenting.



Shakesville Commenting Policy

In case you're wondering, the Commenting Policy is 2,197 words long.

Shakesville Feminism 101

The Feminism 101 page is 22,806 words long.

Remember, it is mandatory that you read both documents prior to posting a comment on the Furiosa review.

So, that's 25,003 words total you are expected to read before you comment. Just to put that in perspective, a novella is generally considered to be about 40,000 words, give or take a few.


And one of the rules for commenting is that you must read a post in its entirety before you comment on it. So you have to read the entire Furiosa review. Which contains more words than --and will take longer to read than-- the Furiosa comic itself.



The funniest thing is that the Feminism 101 page insists, "This is a safe space."

Sure it is.
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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby flightsuit » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:42 am

I just pasted the review itself into MS Word so I could know the word count.

4,975 words.

So, that's 29,978 words you must read before you post a comment there.
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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby Uncle Entity » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:49 am

I cannot still understand the over exaggerated Feminism "debate" surrounding this movie. It's a post-apocalyptic fresco adventure featuring some women as leads, but I just cannot understand what's the big deal. Must be a political reason.

I'm almost sure it started in America........ even. The whole Feminism "debate" surrounding Fury Road. Facepalm.
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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby Turbofurball » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:23 am

Interesting replies, especially the number of guys saying what women should be thinking.

As for my take on this review, yes it does borderline on over-analysis in places and gets some facts wrong regarding what was in Fury Road, but it also brings up a lot of good points, too - mostly about the choice of tone and character interplay which doesn't match up with the characters of the wives, or the style of the film.

It does sound like a lazily written piece of work, where a group of men tried to think about how women behave rather than actually having a woman on the team to give relevant input. The film should be the gold-standard to which the stories of the comics need to be compared, and by the sounds of things it Furiosa 1 is mediocre.

As for why Fury Road has sparked a lot of feminist dialogue> Imagine if almost every action movie you saw was like Highlander 2, or XMen Origins: Wolverine, or something like that. A flat, cookie-cutter pile of crap with actors just going through the motions of over-the-top explosions and shitty writing ... and then along came The Bourne Identity, or Raiders of the Lost Ark, or something of that calibre, where the lead appears to be a believable as a human being for the first time in maybe the last 20 years. Thats what Fury Road is like for women, or at least it was for me.
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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby owenmp » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:50 am

flightsuit,

I agree Issue 2 had less character background information than Issue 1. It almost appears to give more details on the Five Wives than Furiosa. I would have enjoyed to see how Furiosa became an Imperator.

I was a little disappointed how Rictus Erectus was presented. I was hoping he would have been given more depth.

According to the USA Today article below, Issues 3 and 4 will focus on Max. Issue 3 will be released on July 8th, and Issue 4 will be released on August 5th. The hardcover compilation of all four covers will be released in the U.S. on August 26th.

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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby BRC1974 » Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:40 am

owenmp wrote:I was a little disappointed how Rictus Erectus was presented. I was hoping he would have been given more depth.


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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby DetritusMaximus » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:10 am

Turbofurball wrote:Interesting replies, especially the number of guys saying what women should be thinking.

As for my take on this review, yes it does borderline on over-analysis in places and gets some facts wrong regarding what was in Fury Road, but it also brings up a lot of good points, too - mostly about the choice of tone and character interplay which doesn't match up with the characters of the wives, or the style of the film.

It does sound like a lazily written piece of work, where a group of men tried to think about how women behave rather than actually having a woman on the team to give relevant input. The film should be the gold-standard to which the stories of the comics need to be compared, and by the sounds of things it Furiosa 1 is mediocre.

As for why Fury Road has sparked a lot of feminist dialogue> Imagine if almost every action movie you saw was like Highlander 2, or XMen Origins: Wolverine, or something like that. A flat, cookie-cutter pile of crap with actors just going through the motions of over-the-top explosions and shitty writing ... and then along came The Bourne Identity, or Raiders of the Lost Ark, or something of that calibre, where the lead appears to be a believable as a human being for the first time in maybe the last 20 years. Thats what Fury Road is like for women, or at least it was for me.


I haven't read the comics or the review in question.

Two things I have learned over the years, one-too often people refuse to let facts get in the way of their ideological agenda, regardless of which side of an argument they are on. The longer and harder they argue the more they have invested and can't back away from it. Our current political environment is exactly that.

Two- comics really do tend to be male fan-boy driven and rely on lots of clichés, character archetypes and predictable outcomes as expected by their mostly male fan-boy audience.

Part of the problem with fantasy/sci-fi (as opposed to science fiction, anyone who has read real science fiction or science fantasy should know what I mean), is that all the stories/characters/settings tend to be rehashings of either past history or current relevant issues (which tend to be continuations or extensions of past issues). Because of that, the same themes keep coming up. One of the most prevalent in post-apoc is the revival of aggressive male domination over anyone perceived as weaker. I wish I could say that this is something that wouldn't really happen, but I think we all know better. (Part of the problem with rehashing of the past is cultural. When looking for a 'different' setting many writers look to their cultural past. In the UK, this tends to show up as some form of feudal society with knights and nobility, in the US it ends up as some form of the wild west, very predictable and usually complete with language/settings/costumes to match).

There are those who even now still retain a faith in the 'survival of the fittest' mentality with a little bit Darwinism to validate it as a viable philosophy in our current society where it is quite possibly counter-productive. Instead of looking for the best (or a better) solution to the state we find ourselves in, they see answers in a rose-tinted, rigid view of the past (for a corollary see: Devolution). Groups that focus on some form of religious fundamentalism are an extreme example of this, but it is fairly common with anyone befuddled by modern society and wishing for 'the good old days' when things were simpler (which they weren't really either).

All of this tends to put female characters at a disadvantage. For most of history women have been at a disadvantage. Most fiction with strong women will probably be dealing with those issues or some male character that represents them.
Unfortunately, attempts to even things out just end up with 'the same difference'. This may provide some humor (sorry, 'humour'): fun to watch, but no better. Amazingly, for a setting that was meant to represent some form of feminist empowerment, the costume department seemed to have not received the memo!

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Re: Furiosa comic falls flat

Postby DetritusMaximus » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:03 pm

Turbofurball-

Years ago I had two female roommates that were very interested in a comic by the Hernandez Bros called Love and Rockets. Good storylines, a little different and not for everyone. If you haven't heard of it, check out the early stuff, mid-late 80's.

Although it's not a comic, your comments on action movies remind me of the original Le Femme Nikita movie.
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